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June 26th, 2008 at 7:34am
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I can't believe it's not a democracy!
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I can't believe it's not a democracy! Men will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest. Real News Atrios Booman Tribune TPM Muckraker Must Read Maud Newton Boing Boing James Wolcott The Rude Pundit James Howard Kunstler firedoglake Situation Room FranIAm DGuzman -- Impeachment and other dreams Spartacus Blue Gal Snark TBogg Dependable Renegade Mock, Paper, Scissors Sorghum Crow's General Store The Otherwhirled Distributorcap Fairlane DCup Morse Dr. Monkey Von Monkerstein Stringer (snark from Down Under) The FISA fight is over. We lost: The Real FISA Vote Passes 80 to 15 With the Presidential Nominees Passing . Ian Welsh, at Firedoglake, writes: The FISA Cloture vote just passed . The Senate will now consider the motion to proceed with the bill, then they'll head to the bill itself (corrected procedural details, h/t and thanks to CBolt ). Various motions will be put forward to strip immunity, odds are they will fail. Then a number of the 80 who voted to restrict debate will vote against FISA so they can say they were against the bill. However this was the real vote, and the rest is almost certainly nothing but kabuki for the rubes. Obama didn't vote. Clinton was absent too. Schumer voted the right way (i.e., against cloture), but it was a safe vote for him since only 14 other senators joined him. It's all fucking political kabuki. As Welsh notes, some of the 80 who voted to limit debate will peel off to vote against the bill. But it won't be enough. Because the outcome was pre-determined. As for Obama, Welsh gives us his response: "The bill has changed. So I don't think the security threats have changed, I think the security threats are similar. My view on FISA has always been that the issue of the phone companies per se is not one that overrides the security interests of the American people. " Really? So the promise to filibuster telecom immunity the last time the bill was up wa"
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